There have been lots of bad managers and head coaches in Seattle sports history. Tyrone Willingham comes immediately to mind. The post-Nate McMillan coaches for the Sonics weren’t given much to work with. Every manager for the Mariners save four has a losing record! And the Jim Mora Jr. Seahawks were only eclipsed by a dreadful job done by Tom Flores.
But, these guys are the worst of the worst. What about the guys who failed upwards? The guys who succeeded in spite of their own bungling? Where does Dan Wilson rank among the managers or head coaches with winning records? That’s what we’re going to talk about today.
If you give a bad manager enough time, he’ll show you what he’s worth. If Dan Wilson is given another decade, I’m certain he will finish with a losing record when it’s all said and done. But, it’s looking increasing likely – if it doesn’t happen in the next month – he’ll be fired at the end of the season. Or he’ll quit, because who has time for this nonsense? The point is, I don’t even think he’s bad enough to lead this team to a record so poor that it would end his Mariners managerial career with a sub-.500 record.
So, how do we figure this out? Well, thankfully, I have a handy-dandy list of all the managers and head coaches right here! And, I try to update it at the end of every season.
You’ll see, for starters, that we can remove the Kraken from this exercise, because none of their head coaches have winning records. Same goes for the Seattle Pilots (which is good, because I wasn’t even alive that year anyway). The Huskies – especially Husky Football – have A LOT of coaches with winning records, because it’s so easy in college, with non-conference schedules what they are.
The pro teams are pretty minimal, though. So, let’s start with the Seahawks and work our way down. First, I’ll list the Seahawks coaches with winning records:
- Mike Macdonald
- Pete Carroll
- Mike McCormack
- Chuck Knox
- Mike Holmgren
I mean, this one is easy. Macdonald, Carroll, Knox, and Holmgren are all legitimately great coaches, so it’s McCormack by default. He went 4-3 in relief of Jack Patera in 1982, and I don’t know anything about him, so I don’t feel like sitting here, researching him, and trying to besmirch his name.
Let’s go to the Mariners next, as we see this is an even shorter list:
- Dan Wilson
- Lou Piniella
- Scott Servais
- Lloyd McClendon
I’m gonna tell you right off the bat, I think Scott Servais would manage circles around Dan Wilson, so he’s not going to qualify! Sweet Lou is obviously the gold standard for this organization, so he’s out. I would like to point out that Bob Melvin had the bad luck of taking over for Sweet Lou and getting saddled with that 2004 team where all the veterans shit the bed at once; he would go on to manage other teams and have tremendous success, and it’s just a shame we gave up on him so fast (he’s probably the best manager/head coach we’ve ever had with a losing record). Regardless, looks like a 2-man race between Wilson and McClendon here, so let’s move on to the Sonics before we get in the weeds:
- George Karl
- Lenny Wilkens
- Nate McMillan
- Paul Westphal
I should point out that K.C. Jones and Bob Kloppenburg don’t qualify for this list because they finished with exactly .500 records, and we’re only counting coaches with winning records. Anyway, Wilkens is obviously the G.O.A.T., and Karl ranks up there among my favorite head coaches of all time. There wasn’t a lot of achievement with Mac-10’s Supersonics teams in his coaching tenure, but I think he did a lot with a little. I think he got the most out of his guys, and the organization was at fault for not getting us over the hump. I won’t extend that courtesy to Westphal, who I feel very much deserves to be in the discussion of worst head coaches with winning records. Let’s get into Husky Football:
- Marques Tuiasosopo
- Gil Dobie
- Kalen DeBoer
- James Knight
- A.S. Jeffs
- Don James
- Enoch Bagshaw
- Chris Petersen
- Rick Neuheisel
- Oliver Cutts
- Claude J. Hunt
- Jim Lambright
- James Phelan
- Ralph Nichols
- Victor M. Place
- Jedd Fisch
- Ralph Welch
- Jim Owens
- Steve Sarkisian
- Jimmy Lake
That’s a lot, right? For starters, I’m not inclined to include coaches who were on the interim label, or just here for one season. That knocks out Tui, obviously, and guys like Jeffs, Cutts, or Hunt (who was hired in two non-consecutive seasons for one year apiece). Then, there’s obviously a bunch of greats listed: James, Dobie, Bagshaw, and I’d throw Petersen and DeBoer in that camp. I don’t know enough about Owens, but he was here forever, so he seems legit. Same goes for Phelan. I like Neuheisel a lot and think he got a raw deal the way he was fired. Lambright got a raw deal for the sanctions he suffered, as well as trying to follow the Dawgfather. And while Sark’s winning record was no great shakes, the team he took over was one of the worst in the nation, so he gets a pass.
I could be talked into a Ralph Welch argument, but the guy coached in the 1940s, so what do I know about him? He never won a conference title; he had a top 3 finish in 3 out of 6 years; he made a single Rose Bowl and got shut out by USC 29-0 (this was in the old Pacific Coast Conference days, where the Trojans weren’t our conference-mates). I feel like with this being the 40’s – and the Huskies having a pretty great football reputation dating back to the beginning of the 20th century – we probably should’ve been better than we were, but I’m going to also give Welch a pass, because I think the obvious answer is Jimmy Lake.
That being said, let’s see how the 2026 Huskies do, with elevated expectations for one Jedd Fisch, as this figures to be his last year here before he moves on to a bigger job. Anyway, on to Husky Basketball:
- Hec Edmundson
- Tippy Dye
- Marv Harshman
- Lorenzo Romar
- Art McLarney
- Tex Winter
- John Grayson
- Mike Hopkins
There’s no real debate here. The top 5 guys are all legends. The answer is probably either Winter or Grayson, but clearly the 60’s were a down decade for this school, basketball-wise, and either way I don’t know a damn thing about those guys. Winter came here from a great career at Kansas State and was the inventor of the Triangle Offense … so I’m gonna say he WASN’T the worst, and the program had other issues going on during his tenure. John Grayson doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page. He took over for Tippy Dye, who was a fucking stud, and that’s a hard act to follow. Grayson was just the wrong hire, not much else to say.
Mike Hopkins is a tough argument here, but I’m still going to make it. Yes, he won Pac-12 Coach of the Year two years in a row, and yes, he has the last NCAA Tournament appearance for our beloved Huskies. But, I’m still throwing him under the bus, I don’t care. For starters, his only two truly great seasons – the aforementioned COY seasons – were the first two years after Romar was fired. The only thing Hopkins ever did right was hang onto Romar’s guys. He rode those guys to an NIT appearance, followed by the Big Dance, and then once those guys graduated, it was a fucking WASTELAND. He brought over the Syracuse zone defensive scheme, but couldn’t find anyone to run it (again, after Romar’s guys left). He won those COY awards and finagled his way into a contract extension, only to suck for five long, terrible years. How do you parlay a Tourney appearance into not being able to re-stock this team for half a decade?! Truly breathtaking amount of incompetence. The only reason Hop has a winning Husky record is because of Romar; that’s all there is to it.
So, for the purposes of this exercise, here’s my top five worst managers/head coaches with winning records in Seattle sports history:
- Dan Wilson
- Lloyd McClendon
- Paul Westphal
- Jimmy Lake
- Mike Hopkins
Now, how do we rank these guys? I’m still kinda mystified by the whole Jimmy Lake saga. He got saddled with the 2020 COVID season, in which we finished 3-1, but was otherwise a total disaster. We took the North Division, but couldn’t play in the Pac-12 Championship Game due to the team getting COVID. Is that his fault? It certainly shows a lack of institutional control, which would go on to spiral down the toilet the following season, as he physically assaulted a member of the team and was fired for cause. That was the only reason he ended up with a winning record, as those Huskies would lose their final three games.
Lake seemed like such a sure thing, though! Prized defensive coordinator and recruiter for many years. But, he also saddled himself with one of the worst offensive coordinators I’ve ever seen in John Donovan. That was a really hard time to be a Husky fan, but it led to the hiring of DeBoer, so that’s something.
Paul Westphal had the misfortune of following George Karl, AND his first season here was the lockout-shortened season, with an overweight and alcoholic Vin Baker in the thick of it. Still, it’s pretty damning to be a 61-win team in Karl’s final year, and fall all the way to .500 the next season. He wasted two prime Gary Payton years, and all we had to show for it was one playoff appearance (a first round exit to Utah). He was fired 15 games into the 2000/2001 season, with Nate McMillan taking over and turning things around.
Westphal’s whole thing was offense, but the Gary Payton Supersonics were a defense-first team. He was a square peg in a round hole.
Then, there’s Lloyd. Look, you can ask around, and many people will tell you he’s one of the worst managers the Mariners have ever had, regardless of record. Old school to a fault, sort of trying to be the next generation’s Lou Piniella, but obviously without any of the skill. He was here for two seasons, one of them (2014) had the team finish 12 games over .500, which just barely covered his 2015, when we were 10 games under .500.
The thing with Lloyd is that we have a much longer track record, because he managed the Pirates in the early 2000’s for five seasons, then a short stint as interim manager of the Tigers in 2020. Considering the teams he managed for – eternally cheap Pirates, the bumbling Jack Zduriencik Mariners, and the COVID Tigers – it’s hard to totally blame him for the lack of success. And he definitely overachieved with that 2014 squad, getting to within a game of a wild card spot.
If you compare that to Dan, he had a winning record in his short managerial stint in 2024, then he took the 2025 team to the ALCS, before falling off a cliff in 2026. But, whereas Lloyd’s 2014 team overachieved, I would say Dan’s 2025 team simply achieved. I would say Lloyd’s 2015 team achieved as well, while Dan’s 2026 team underachieved.
Or, let’s look at it another way: would the 2026 Mariners be better with Lloyd McClendon?
Maybe not Lloyd of today (age 67), but of 10 years ago? Without knowing a whole lot about either of their styles behind the scenes, I’ll say this: Dan Wilson was hired to provide a change in environment from Scott Servais. To hand over the keys to the castle to the players a little more, and give them more of a voice and authority to govern themselves. He’s a “players coach” to a fault, saying less than nothing to the press after games and in interviews. I think that style has its place, BUT, when things aren’t working, I think you need a heavy hand to come in and steer the ship.
I think these players deserve to be criticized. And I think it’s on the manager to provide a little tough love from time to time. Otherwise, you get what you have now, which isn’t so much a lack of caring, but sort of a sad sack, woe is me from the players who are struggling. Dan won’t say boo, so now it’s on the players to denigrate themselves, or live in some sort of fantasy land where everything is fine and things will work themselves out in the end. Yes, there’s a lack of focus – that has led to ample mistakes, both in the field and on the bases – but again, it’s not for lack of caring or checking out; it’s because so many players are down on themselves and this team’s situation. They need to be shaken awake. And, maybe more importantly, they need a little bit of a lightning rod.
I think Lloyd could be that lightning rod. He might piss you off with what he says to the media. He might piss the whole team off. But, that’s better than the team being in this depressive funk.
And yeah, his old school thinking was abysmal when it came to bullpen decisions and whatnot, but are we loving Dan’s logic when it comes to this part of the game?
I was ready – at the start of this exercise – to say Lloyd was definitively worse than Dan as a manager, but I think I’m going the other way!
Now that we’ve discussed everyone, let’s rank them, 1-5. 1 being the very worst manager/head coach with a winning record; 5 being the least-worst:
- Mike Hopkins
- Dan Wilson
- Lloyd McClendon
- Jimmy Lake
- Paul Westphal
I’ll start with the bottom and work my way up. Westphal lands fifth mostly because of his tenure with the Suns. He led them to two first place finishes and an NBA Finals appearance (though, it took a Herculean effort by the refs to rip that appearance away from the Sonics). You could definitely say he underachieved with the Suns, but I dunno. Seems okay to me.
Without question, Lake’s tenure was a disaster, but I would be curious to see if he ever gets another head coaching gig. He’s rehabbing his coaching image by working in the NFL (smartly, he’s with the Rams now), and I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that an older and wiser Jimmy Lake has a more successful second head coaching stint.
Lloyd comes in third for all the reasons I talked about above; I just believe he would do a better job than Dan.
Dan feels more like a team ambassador than a manager. He’s got nothing to say, ever, except for positive platitudes. He’s boring, but pleasant. He was a successful player during a fun time in the organization’s history. But, he looks fucking miserable as the head of this clubhouse. This looks like torture to him! I think behind closed doors, there might be things he wants to say, but it’s like Jerry Dipoto One Wish Willowed him into being obsessed with the direction of this organization.
In the end, the worst head coach/manager in Seattle sports history with a winning record is decidedly Mike Hopkins. You know what it boils down to, for me? When I think of these names in a vacuum, who makes me the angriest? It’s Mike Hopkins.
He had SEVEN years here! Two with great success – again, with Romar’s guys – and five on his own. And those five seasons were some of the most pathetic, mediocre ballclubs I’ve ever seen. He had a system, and continuously failed to recruit to it! You know what you need! Stop trying to just recruit who you think is best and go out and get the kinds of players who fit your scheme!
There was a way to make this work. We SAW it work with Romar’s guys! But, you can’t half-ass it. You can’t bring in high school players who haven’t played a day of zone defense in their lives and make them learn all the intricacies in one offseason. Because, you’re going to fail, those players are going to leave in the transfer portal, and you’re going to have to start all the fuck over again!
If he would’ve just brought in guys who liked playing in zone, that would’ve solved half the battle right there. Make this a Defense First team, and worry about offense later. As it was, it’s not like we ever HAD an offense to speak of, but the fact that our defenses were always so atrocious – to the point that, by the end of his tenure, he had to all but completely abandon his zone scheme – is completely unforgivable.
Dan Wilson’s just a mild mannered waste of space. Mike Hopkins? He was actively terrible at his job. At every facet of his job. So, he wins this award. Put it with the two Pac-12 Coach of the Year awards you stole from Lorenzo Romar and go fuck yourself.